What happened to the old forum?

Not sure.. Kinda weird that the whole site went down for so long and then came back up. Oh well.. glad to see it back up. Too bad the past data is gone. It's like starting from scratch.

Glad this place is back. I have to be honest I was not excited about buying an Envoy(full size truck owner), but after the couple of years this SUV has served me well. 4x4 has gotten me through some nasty mud and snow. It's been to Tucson and back. Ohio and back and Georgia and back. Got descent gas mileage and there was plenty of room for my gear.

yes the envoy does do quite well in the mud. i took my stock 04 to the trails at uwharrie national forest today and it pulled through all that the trails threw at it. i wish it was a bit higher. (ground clearance)

True the ground clearance could be a little higher, but then again these are really not 4x4 off-road vehicles. I found another used Envoy Denali 4wd that priced right and had all the bells and whistles, but the insurance company did not total mine so I stopped looking.